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Ten questions I wish
I had asked before buying my first great dane.
1. Is it true that you get what you pay for?
Yes. If you get a $500.00 dane you get just that.
Most breeders that sell dogs for under $1000.00 will not
guarantee the dane for more then two years. To me if the price
of the dog is too good to be true then it probably is. Our first dane cost
$350.00 and in six years we had over $6000.00 tied up
into a dog that has a genetically deformed bladder, a failing
liver, and had started having seizers. I would have rather bought
or made payments to a reputable breeder and bought a higher
priced dane that I knew would look like a dane and be guaranteed
to be free of any genetic problems then to go through the pain
and heart ship of having to put my dog down because I was
cheap. But like most people looking for that first dane, we
thought we would buy local so we could see both parents and do
it the right way (or what we thought was the right way at the
time).
2. How will I know if I'm buying from a backyard
breeder or puppy mill?
The price difference will generally weed out
some of your puppy mills. Puppy mills generally produce large
numbers of puppies and have to move them quickly so they price
them to sell. Don't be afraid to ask for references from the
breeder or find out what dane related clubs they belong to. Most
backyard breeders will not belong to a club. Contact your local
dane club for more information on a breeder. Most states have a
Great Dane Club. Rescue
groups are also a good way to find out about a breeder. If a
rescue has seen their fair share of one persons danes come
through then you know that the breeder will not take the puppy
back and will not fulfill a contract.
3. Why should my breeder compete in conformation
(Showing in AKC events )?
The best way to weed out bad breeders is if they
don't compete in conformation (AKC Shows). I would not recommend
buying from someone that gives you the old song and dance on why
they don't show. Most backyard breeders will not spend the money
to show their dogs not to mention their dogs would not win and
they would be out money and that's what they are solely after. I
have heard a million excuses of why someone would not show.
Example: the show people are too political or because I have kids
and I don't have the time. Well I'll tell you what, the dane show
community is full of different people, some are down to earth
people and some retired people do this as a hobby and yes
some are even political. It's a melting pot just like our
country, people of all types and I'm one of the very few that
don't have kids. When visiting a dog show please feel free to
look around at all the kids and families that use this time as a
family outing. When you get right down to it, the backyard
breeder's dane can not compete with the others and they won't
waste their money trying.
4. Why do breeders stud out to a male? Shouldn't
both parents be on the site?
A lot of your reputable breeders will use an out
side stud dog to better the breed. Why use the dog you have in
the backyard when a better suitable male can be used via AI
frozen, fresh chilled, or natural. Don't get me wrong, some
reputable breeders might breed a male that they own to their
bitch because that was the best choice. Don't be afraid to ask
questions about the parents. Any reputable breeder can tell you
why they bred that particular sire to their dam.
5. What does champion pedigree mean?
Many of the backyard breeders will advertise
(Champion Pedigree). But what does this mean? You buy a puppy,
send in your puppy papers and spend the extra couple of dollars
on the AKC five generation pedigree and then you see one or two
CH. in the last lines of the fifth generation back. This is
technically a champion pedigree but not a very good one. If the
breeder is advertising this kind of a pedigree then they are
probably not showing their dogs (see#3). Breeders have kennel
names for a reason. When you see a dane that has that Ch. in
front of their name that means that this dog was good enough to
finish and someone spent the time and money to make sure
everyone knows that. Many of your backyard breeders will throw
bigger named kennels at you to impress you with their pedigree.
For example the breeder would say this puppy goes back to the
Stuhr pedigree or lines. Ask if they know who Stuhr even is, if
they can't tell you the people's name behind the kennel name
then they have not researched the pedigree well enough to be
breeding puppies. Most of the time a reputable breeder can tell
you the names of the people behind a kennel name in their
pedigree and will know them personally. A good Champion pedigree
to me means that there is more champions in the pedigree that
not. Make sure if the breeder is showing you a pedigree that it
is that puppy's pedigree and not the grandfathers and the
great-great grandmothers. Some backyard breeders will show you a
pedigree of dogs in the second or third generation to skip newer
links in their pedigree making the puppy seem more then what it
is.
6. What does champion mean to me?
The more champions in the pedigree generally
will help you purchase a dane that structurally
look like a dane. Don't be afraid to see pictures or visit danes
that are in the pedigree or that are related to the puppy you
are looking to buy.
7. What is the difference between AKC and UKC?
American Kennel Club is the number one kennel club in the
United States. An AKC championship is harder to receive then a
United Kennel Club Championship by far. Most top breeders will
have an AKC Champion on their dogs before even attempting to
receive a UKC title. Some backyard breeders will buy a limited
registered AKC dog from a reputable breeder and then switch the
dog to UKC to breed. That is why we will not allow any of our
dane to be registered by UKC. In my opinion if the puppy's
parents are only UKC registered then it's not worth buying.
8. Why is it important to get more then a two year contract on
my puppy?
Some breeders will only guarantee a puppy for one year. In
the
first year of the puppy's life it is very important that he/she is
fed and cared for properly. Many times if the puppy is not fed
correctly you can encounter HOD, Pano, etc. These are generally
not covered by a breeders contract because it is the owners
responsibility to make sure the puppy is fed correctly, but any
reputable breeder is going to give you advise on what food works
better on that particular line. Then the next year you might
start to see some genetic faults and it might take a while for
your local vet to figure out what exactly you're dealing with and
by that time your contract is up. Not to mention if a breeder
only guarantees the dane for two years how are you guaranteed on
the hips. It is crucial that your breeder will guarantees the
puppy's hips. You have to wait until the puppy is 24 months or
(2 years) to do an OFA. What happens if the puppy's birthday
fails on a Sunday or you can't get the dane into the vet until
he/she is 2 years and 3 days old and then you find out he/she
has severe hip dysplasia, now that breeder's contract is null in
void.
9. What do I need to look for on a contract?
Most reputable breeders do what they call an OFA test on the
parents hips to ensure that the parents do not have hip dysplasia at the time of breeding. They will have something in
their contract that will state when the dog is 2 years of age
that you need to do the OFA test and if the dog has severe hip
dysplasia they will compensate for the fault in the dog. Make
sure that in the contract that there is something to the fact of
the breeder will cover all genetic faults in the dog. This means
for example if the dog has a genetically deformed bladder the
breeder will compensate you on this dog. This doesn't mean the
breeder will pay the medical bills but that they will replace
the puppy or some kind of money back is generally the common
practice. Make sure the breeder will take back a neutered or
spayed dog, this will also help you avoid bad breeders (if they
can't breed it they don't want it). Make sure all of the puppy's
information is on the contract. If the dogs AKC number, date of
birth, full name, etc.. is missing, then you don't really have a
contract. If your purchasing a pet puppy the common practice
with reputable breeders is to stay on the puppy's papers as
owner or co-owner with the new owner/s. If this dog is only a
pet then this will not have any effect on the buyer, but it will
ensure the breeder that this puppy being sold will never end up
in a puppy mill environment. If you're going to co-own a puppy
along with the breeder for breeding or show purposes, please
have every detail made out with a breeding or show contract.
Lack of communication and written agreements is why most people
have a bad experience with co-ownership when breeding or showing is
involved.
10. How do I know the breeder will fulfill my contract?
This is really simple, the contract is only as good as the
people that sign it. Most contracts will hold as a signed legal
contract in a court of law but let's face it who really wants to
go there? Finding a good breeder is the same as finding a good
buyer. If there is something that just doesn't fit into the
puzzle then don't buy the dog. If you're having doubts about the
breeder upholding their part of the contract then don't buy the
puppy.

It's a buyer beware
market
I felt compelled to ad this after another
puppy mill was shut down today for fraud and animal cruelty.
38 dogs were found in her home at the time of her arrest.
The lady was selling show and companion puppies via internet
and telling people they were AKC registered. But they were
listed with the continental kennel club as most of her
breeding stock was not registered with AKC but by the time
the new puppy owners got the puppy and figured this out it
was too late. You ask why does this
affect me? I don't care about registration on my dane puppy.
The puppies got deathly ill and some even died and if that
wasn't bad enough, the people didn't know who to talk to as
the breeder used several different aliases. This was not
just one of her litters, this has been over several years and
hundreds of puppies. Don't get fooled
by bad breeders. ( Anyone can make selling a puppy sound
good)
(There are puppy
mills everywhere, including several in Iowa)
WARNING SIGNS TO
LOOK FOR:
Just because their
website looks good doesn't mean that they are not a puppy
mill.
Most backyard
breeders will not post their danes full registered name on
their site. If you don't see
full registered names don't buy the puppy. I know this
doesn't seem like that big of deal for the pet buyer but it
is a big sign.
Are the dogs all in
outside kennels? No reputable
breeder would have danes that are not in their homes.
Look past the danes
in the pictures and see what else is in the background. Some
of these people will slip up and give you a little look at
the real thing. Pay attention for: hay/straw, dirty dog
bowls and water dishes. The type of kennel or panels used
for fencing. what is on the ground around the danes? If you
see anything that is questionable,
Don't buy the puppy.
A reputable breeder
will not have adults or puppies in old buildings (barns/hog
hunts) No reputable breeder
would leave an adult dane in a building like this, let alone
a puppy.
Look for pictures
with the puppies in straw or wood chips.
No reputable breeder would use these
materials as bedding as urine soaks into them and can give your puppy
an infection and/or heat sores.
Just because they
have testimonials on their sites doesn't mean that they are
not a puppy mill. This is their
information that they are giving you. You are not hearing it
from the people that bought the dane.
Just because they
link health and information to their site doesn't mean
that they are not a puppy mill.
It's just another scam.
How ironic is this, a local puppy mill
here in Iowa links rescue on her website but not any of the
local rescue groups.( because they all know her and have to
place her puppies) She puts tons of health information on her
site but doesn't even do as much as an OFA on her danes.
Think before you buy, educate yourself before you buy. Don't
forget it's your right to ask questions.
How can I
protect myself from dishonest breeders like this?
Answer: Ask the
right questions and contact your local dane club or the dane
club that is local to that breeder.
1) Ask to see a copy
of the sire and dam's OFA and thyroid testing. (This is your
right) If they can not provide
you with this, do not buy the puppy.
2) Ask for dane
related references. ( Clubs/Local Rescues/other reputable
breeders) If they can not
provide you with this, do not buy the puppy.
3) Contact the local
dane club/rescue about the breeder. Here in Iowa:
www.gdcdm.org
or Nebraska:
www.gdcgo.org If you can't find the local
dane club/rescue in that state, e-mail me and I'll look it
up for you.
4)Never buy out of the newpaper
What do those newspaper ads really mean?
5) Ask other local
breeders about one another. I have no problem helping people
find a forever puppy from another reputable breeder. If the
breeder refers to other breeders as jealous, snobby, poor
sport or refers to placing puppies as a competition or money
thing: RUN DON'T WALK.
There are too many reputable breeders out there. TAKE YOUR
TIME AND DON'T BE IN A HURRY. The right breeder and the
right puppy is waiting for you.
The best
thing you can to is educate yourself
Other links for more information to avoid puppymills /
backyard breeders:
http://www.gdcdm.org/litterbox.htm
courtesy of: Great Dane Club of Des Moines
http://www.heartlandgdr.org/page12.htm courtesy of:
Heartland Great Dane rescue
http://www.daneoutreach.org/Files/Tips_for_choosing.pdf
courtesy of: Dane outreach
Midwest Great Dane Clubs and Rescues links:
(Feel free to contact any great dane club, They are there to
help educate.)
www.gdcdm.org
Great Dane club of Des Moines
http://home.comcast.net/~maryann.land/index.htm
Heart of Minnesota Great Danes Club
http://geocities.com/gdcgkc/index.htm
Great Dane club of Kansas City
http://www.geocities.com/illiniweb2003/
Illini Great Danes Club
Other helpful dane links:
www.ginnie.com
Ginnie Saunders
www.greatdanelady.com
Linda Arndt
www.doglogic.com
www.gdhfa.org
Great Dane Health Foundation of America, Inc
www.gdca.org/healthandwelfare.htm
Great Dane Club Of America- Health and Welfare
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